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First one is a fox:
Alexfox by Innali
His black colors (nose, legs, tail) are dilluted to an amber like color? Im not sure, but im almost 100% sure this is a wild fox. 

Next is this horse:
Miralynn July09 12 by Innali
Her mom was bay, and the father was cremello. The horse is listed as buckskin, and it would have to be because of her parents, but can buckskins be this dark? xD

I love color genetics, they fascinate me!
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DarthAislin Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
It looks like a Leucistic red fox. I've seen pelts in the taxidermy groups similar to this coloration before, many people refer to this, and white sabled foxes as "Ashe/Ash/Ashy" colorations. I don't know if it's an official name or not.
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Sherriffs-art Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Don't know about the exact name of the colouration of the fox but would hazard a guess that it is leucistic.
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Marlouu Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2013
Sooty buckskin? and that fox is so pretty
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red-sunfox Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I think the fox would be categorized as blonde, and i don't know much about horses, but I think it would be bay?
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AuroraIkia Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'd definitely say a melanistic buckskin or bay for the horse. As for the fox... champange or cinnamon points, diluted by the ee red dilution gene?. I duno
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Aevaln Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
the horse is a bay color. Buckskin is like spirit (the stallion in the movie), its more cream.
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CreatureUndertaker Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
the fox is a burundy gold fox.
ive had 3 of their pelts.
they are a recessive gene within the red fox.
reds start out as red, then theres the silver which the silver fox has 2 recessive colors, the grey ( pearl) and the brown ( burgundy/ cinnamon)
which those can be bred to create their own colors.
the red fox has their own recessive nature to where they can get the recessive genes and have gray legs, or brown legs and not a single black hair on their body since its a recessive gene.

th02.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i… this one i bought from taxi.net who was a furrier/trapper
th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i… this one i got from a breeder who raised them. his genes were more rust red color
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Innali Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Oh very pretty pelts! Thank you! 
All these fancy names I can't keep track of whats what xD
So would it almost be the equivalent of the liver gene in dogs? where the black gets dilluted to brown? I know dog genetics, but foxes not so much :)
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goats Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013
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PaintedCricket Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Its black is diluted to a brown and the red's diluted to a pale gold. It doesn't seem to have too much more white than the wilds, so I wouldn't call it a whitemark of any sort. The diluted black areas also appear to be in a regular pattern, so it's neither a cross or a silver sort (if it were, the cinnamon bits would be more extensive. While I can't tell you the correct color term for it, I figure it's just a regular patterned fox with mutations to lighten both the black and the red colors.
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TwiggyStone Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Professional Filmographer
The horse does look like a dark buckskin because of the face. I don't know what the fox is, but he's gorgeous.
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Mikaley Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013
I can't help you with the horse, but with the fox.

He has a color mutation calles Liver. It affects all black markings.
You can tell it's liver by it's nose.

Here is a better explanation: shocktherapystables.deviantart…
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Zombie-Kumos Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Fox genetics with colour are way different than a dog. There is not such thing as liver fox. Its nose is liver coloured sure but that isnt the colour. Its a dilouted red fox or.

If it was ranch it could possibly count being part pink or pink cross... some weird mutation with a different colour nose other than black or pink. Other foxes with "liver" noses are burgundy/cinnamon/pastel/lavender. But their body is also brown for these colourations so thier nose matches.
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Kaylink Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Don't listen to the people telling you the fox is an "wildfire gold" "amber fire" or "sunrise burgandy" or etc. All those fancy names are made up to describe animals in the fur industry and are very arbitrary. It's like calling an Irish Setter "burnt russet" instead of red. Just a fluff name. Useless.

What it is is a red fox with the genetic mutation that turns its black pigment to liver (it's the same gene that turns a Black Lab into a chocolate - black fur turns brown, along with the nose and lips). This fox definitely seems to have that. So it's "color name" is just a Red, with the liver mutation. Don't overcomplicate it with fancy, showy names. 

Anyway, that is a very rare mutation in wild animals, which is intriguing - I've only ever seen a few photos of wild foxes with that liver coloring. If it has captive ancestors, that would probably explain it too. Either way, very cool find.


The horse, I believe, is a sooty buckskin (or a sooty light bay). They can look very dark at times, but the light face is a giveaway.
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Innali Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Thanks for the info! :D For whatever reason I was thinking that foxes and dogs didn't share the same genes. But now that you said that I can see a lot of the fancy colors are just normal dilutions, not special genes or whatever. 

And yeah it is wild! I didn't take the picture but the fox is from the San Juan islands, which were originally captive breed foxes who were released into the wild, according to the article :)
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Kaylink Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's really cool, I wonder what other mutations exist there and if they hinder/help their hunting ability at all. I'd love to see a Marble fox strolling through my backyard!
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Innali Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2013  Student Digital Artist
From what i can see from google most are red, cross, silver, pearl, and cinnamon. Just look at this guy, hes beautiful! farm4.staticflickr.com/3237/36…
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Kaylink Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh gosh what a beautiful animal, I definitely need to research these fellows
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MoonlightLyanti Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I think the fox is a fire and ice...
 
maybe champagne


as for the horse, im quite sure its a burn buckskin
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MattsyKun Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Hmm... Some sort of pale red? I dunno.

*AdarkerNEMISIS, come forth! We need your knowledge! :lmao:
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AdarkerNEMISIS Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter

:iconbrightfutureplz: NEMISIS has appeared!!!

 

what..........*looks up at journal*

 

if its a ranched fox it looks just like a burgundy gold or even a Autumn gold. HOWEVER if its a wild fox, than it can not have a ranched fox name. Ranched fox are breed to have this gene but if it randomly shows up in a wild fox than its just a diluted mutation and could be ANYTHING. Even if the ancestors are ranched fox that were freeded it causes the genes to get so fucked up so there is no identifying what made the coloration or what the fox really is. 

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MattsyKun Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
:lmao: Well that made my morning XD
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goats Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013
omg that plz account 
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Nerdy-Brony Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't know the color genetics, sorry. But I love how both animals look! So beautiful.
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jukajo Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Professional General Artist
I've seen a horse that looked close to that one that was called a 'burnt buckskin', it was that dark, too. I cannot scientifically prove this though, just an idea :D
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KakitaTKM Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
o.o I wouldn't have thought the horse was Buskin, I'd say bay/cherry bay.
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PawzMallina Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Great site on many fox fur variations:

The one in the picture might be "Snow glow" or "Amber fire". 
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Zombie-Kumos Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
That website is pretty inaccurate asa heads up. They stole photos from people here and some are even photoshopped. 

They were luccistar on here and their charts floating around are pretty inaccuratr as well. Ranch colours are confusing enough, and that blog and some of the charts around arent helping.
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PawzMallina Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh. :(
It's hard to find reliable information lately...
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sevas-tra Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sorry I only know snake color genetics ;)
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Atroquine Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The horse is a smutty/sooty buckskin - www.theequinest.com/images/soo… they can look super similar to bays becasue of the sooty gene masking out most of the colour.

the foxy foxy... ahhh - foxcolours can be a bit iffy but Id say its eithera gold, cinnamon gold orrr golden amber? ossibley a wild fire. Theres so many different mutation colours for foxies- but that particular one looks like its going through loosing its winter coat?
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Innali Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Not sure about the fox still, it is a wild fox, of the San Juan island, but the populations there were released by humans. The pink nose throws me off xD
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Atroquine Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
fox colours can be very hard to pinpoint considering a lot are very similar and whatnot but... XD 
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NinjaKato Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013
Forget my previous comment :XD: I don't know anything about colours or genetics. I was merely guessing based on the colours I'd seen before. 
To me the fox looks blond and the horse looks some form of buckskin. But I am probably incorrect ^^; 
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Innali Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
The horse is a buckskin! It is a sooty buckskin! (sealle informed me of this haha) apparently the "sooty" gene can mask almost all of the creamy coat that buckskins have normally!
Thanks for your input! Im honestly still lost on the fox though xD
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